Issue 66070 - "Don't indent for the first PARAPGRAPH in the text block" option
Summary: "Don't indent for the first PARAPGRAPH in the text block" option
Status: CONFIRMED
Alias: None
Product: Writer
Classification: Application
Component: formatting (show other issues)
Version: OOo 2.0.1
Hardware: All All
: P3 Trivial (vote)
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Keywords: oooqa
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Reported: 2006-06-03 04:54 UTC by ceplm
Modified: 2013-02-07 22:37 UTC (History)
3 users (show)

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Issue Type: ENHANCEMENT
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Description ceplm 2006-06-03 04:54:44 UTC
Hi,

typographically correct formatting (at least in the United States) is that the 
first paragraph after heading (or a list) should not be intended although the 
rest of the body paragraphs are. It is actually the default in LyX (front end 
for LaTeX) which I use currently. I guess (and hope) it shouldn't be that 
difficult to do it in any other wordprocessor, but surprisingly nobody does 
it, so I have to stay with ugly cludges like firstBodyParagraph style, which 
is the same as bodyParagraph style, but with no indentation of the first line.

Thanks a lot for considering this,

Matej
Comment 1 ceplm 2006-06-03 04:59:43 UTC
I have already filed now to the KDE bugzilla as bug 128539
<http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128539>.
Comment 2 Rainer Bielefeld 2006-06-03 09:45:50 UTC
@ceplm:
Pls attach
- sample document
- Any source for typographic rules concerning indent for first paragraph 
  after heading
Comment 3 Regina Henschel 2006-06-03 12:41:17 UTC
@rainerbielefeld
In German DIN 1422 Teil 3 Abschnitt 7. Please mail me if you wish a quotation.
In German it is "können" (may). It seems, that an ISO-standard doesn't exist.

@ceplm
You can get the desired behavior, if you set "next style" to "first line indent"
in "Organizer"-tab of style "text body".
Comment 4 ceplm 2006-06-04 00:21:06 UTC
There is now discussion about this on comp.text.tex 
(http://groups.google.com/group/comp.text.tex/browse_thread/thread/4e8eca0058e4cc7e/)

@regina
Of course, I know that I can do that, but I think that I should not be forced 
to use two different styles to achieve this -- following the principle 
of "separation of presentation from content" (aka "structured authoring" aka 
WYSIWYM) OpenOffice.org should not force me to change structure of the 
document in order to achieve different presentation. There is nothing 
different about these paragraphs, except that because OOo (and M$-Word and 
every other wordprocessor I can think of) is not smart enough I have to keep 
them separately.

Besides these theoretical reasons (and conversion to structured data formats 
like Docbook or HTML, where you have to keep one more rule to eliminate this 
first-line-not-indented style), it makes it major pain when I am editing (or 
maintaining -- wasn't OOo and ODT supposed to be about long term storage of 
documents) such documents, because then I have restyle this paragraph whenever 
I move it. This should be a rule which is part of OOo logic, not something I 
would emulate by different styles.

Matej
Comment 5 Regina Henschel 2006-06-04 13:56:36 UTC
That is a clear explanation and a good reason. It would be the same as you can
achieve for HTML with the CSS
<style type="text/css">
  p {text-indent:1em}
  h1 + p {text-indent:0em}
</style>

Up to now OOo is not designed to support different appearance dependent on a
condition "follow after", but all already existing conditions are of the kind
"being inside". So it can not be a "defect" but it is a valid request for
enhancement.
Comment 6 michael.ruess 2006-06-06 08:15:06 UTC
Reassigned to requirements.