Apache OpenOffice (AOO) Bugzilla – Issue 49126
need to add Asian text font preview to "Format/Character" dialog
Last modified: 2009-10-08 03:17:16 UTC
There is no way to preview selected font for asian text. How to reproduce, 1. Open writer. 2. Go to 'Tools > Option > Language Settings > Language'. 3. Enable 'Enabled for Asian Languages' checkbox. 4. Go to 'Format > Character'. 5. Confirm no preview for selected Asian text font.
reassigned to us mci -> us: Hi us, this is your area, please take over
dupe to issue 49653. *** This issue has been marked as a duplicate of 49653 ***
Closing dupe.
us, This is not dupe of 49653. Please read the description carefully. I meant _no preview_ in _font dialog_.
Created attachment 26691 [details] font dialog has no preview for Asian text font
Try selecting some korean text before opening the dialog.
Created attachment 26694 [details] screenie showing cjk in format-character dialog
Closing invalid.
As promised.
us, (Please forgve me for reopening this issue.) Thanks for the quick answer. I just recognized that the dialog shows selected text as preview. It is good way to preview asian fonts, but it might be inconvinient to select some text before opening the dialog. It appears to me that the dialog shows western text font name as preview text if there is no selected text. Also, the preview text changes whenever the selected font changes. It would be nice if we can extend this logic to asian text font. My suggestion is to use 'western text font name + asian text font name' as preview text when there is no selected text and asian language option is enabled. If you don't think my suggestion is invalid, please assign this issue to me. I will try it myself. Also, it would be appreciated if you tell me in which file the dialog is implemented.
Admitedly Format/Character dialog may not be convenient for CJK users. If no text is highlighted in the application the dialog will use the name of the western font as preview text (also for the CJK font setting which is not the best solution). Transferring to UserExperience team.
thanks for your quick answer. :-)
It might avoid confusion to simply displaying the font name in Latin letters and, next to it, in the script the font is intended for. Another possibility would be to display a few Han characters. Depending on the characters selected, this can give the user information on the font. A few examples: 1. A few characters that look different depending on regional standards or personal preference could be selected to quickly show the user how any particular font renders them, e.g. the character æ¼¢. To give another example: If 通, åŠ and/or 雪 were among the characters to be displayed in the preview by default, you could know whether the font is suited for Korean by looking at the strokes' number, direction and length. Characters with as many regionally different appearances as possible (Chinese mainland / Japan / Korea / Taiwan) seem especially suitable to show which regional variant(s) the font includes and how it renders it/them, a kana character could be included to show if the font includes kana, etc. 2. Including rare characters would quickly show the user whether they are supported by the font. They could be displayed starting on the left with not-so-rare characters that most fonts cover, and progressing to the right with characters that are missing in many fonts (obscure characters, regional variants or characters that tend to be used only within a certain region), like ç¾…, é„•, 畵 or possibly 盧. I hope I have shown that, if the characters are selected well, only a handful of characters (that might even fit behind the font name) could quickly reveal a lot of information about each font to the user and help him pick one that covers all characters s/he needs, in the shape s/he wants them to appear. (Automatically getting a list of installed fonts that cover all Chinese characters occurring in a document would be great, too.) This might help to prevent misprints until issue 54944 is fixed. On the other hand, having seemingly random characters appear in the preview might prove too confusing to the user.
I checked with "2.0.2 German version WIN XP: [680m5(Build9011)]" and still saw this undone, but with "2.1.0 German version WIN XP: [680m6(Build9095)]" I saw the correct preview for Asian fonts. Anyone who can confirm that progress?
Created attachment 42359 [details] screenshot showing progress
Hi rainerbielefeld, Let me reopen this issue. When the dialog is opened with selected text, it works fine. It appears to me that your screenshot shows this case. However, when the dialog is opened _with no text selected_, it shows western text preview only - no preview for Asian font selection. This issue is about the latter case.
@jeongkyu With what version did you check that? I can cno confirm your observation with "2.1.0 German version WIN XP: [680m6(Build9095)]"
@jeongkyu: Argh, and now I can confirm your observation every time I try - strange thing. Thank you for your attention! Nevertheless I close this issue, because the the enhancement request has been fulfilled (as it seems, inadvertently), and reopen new Issue 73720 for that DEFECT.
@rainerbielefeld: I still want to keep this issue. :-) Actually, my request is very simple - let's change the dialog so that it shows western font name with western font _plus_ asian font name with asian font, such like 'Bitstream Vera Sans & 바탕체'. Please reopen this issue if my request makes sense for you.
My interpretation of your request was that you wanted the correct Asian font view in the pane with caption "The same font will be used on both ..." and your comment "no way ...", what seems to be reached - with the limitations as per Issue 73720. Even different fonts are displayed in the preview pane, as you can see in my "Screenshots2.odg", and also your screenie "i49126.png" does not show me anything else that is not reached, so currently I do not understand your further request; sorry, but my knowedge concerning Asian is short below zero :-/ To avoid more confusion, i recommend urgently that you should open a new issue for an Enhancement Request with a detailed description which of your needs are not still are not fulfilled and why it would be useful to have those requested features.
Created attachment 42373 [details] screenshots showing current abilities
@rainerbielefeld: Thanks for your screenshot! Now, I know why you think it works 'sometimes'! The default behavior of the dialog with unmarked text is to show 'font name for western text' with the selected font. Thus, if you change the font for western text, you will see the changes in the preview. However, when you change the font for asian text, there is no change in the preview! I guess you usually change the font for western text and it works fine for you. I usually change the font for asian text, and it does not work for me. :-) I hope my comment gives you better understanding of this issue. And I still want you to agree to reopen this issue, because I am not alone with this issue. Initially, this issue was raised from Korean community forum. http://openoffice.or.kr/forums/viewtopic.php?p=530 And there are 6 votes. The 'us' also agrees the dialog is inconvenient to CJK users. My point is that there are users who experience inconvenience with the dialog. It is inappropriate to close such a issue with 'WFM'. It may work for you, but may not work for other users.
@blueice7: Would you take a look at this issue? I believe that 'no preview for selected asian text' is serious limitation for CJK users. @khirano, tora: What about for Japanese users?
> I hope my comment gives you better understanding Unfortunately not at all. May be someone with knowledge concerning Asian languages will be able to find out what here will be required (because he knows it from his daily work), but your description is not helpful for me, because it is much too general and does not contain: - a sample document - a step by step instruction how to reproduce your problem like 0. Install font 'xxxx', free available from .... 1. open sample document 2. click here 3. menu " ..." 4. select 'xxx' from pulldown "yyy' Expected: .... (see my little sketch 'sketch.odg') Actual: ... (see screenshot) so the problem would be understandable for everyone. It's a good idea to involve 'blueice7'
@rainerbielefeld: I did not provide a sample document because this issue is not related to document. And my description and the screenshot might be too general for you, but it is enough for users working with Asian text. Anyway, thanks for your interest and concern. I hope blueice7 can help requirements team to understand this issue.
Hi rainerbielefeld, Let me list the steps to reproduce. 1. Open writer. 2. Go to 'Tools > Option > Language Settings > Language'. 3. Enable 'Enabled for Asian Languages' checkbox. 4. Go to 'Format > Character' with no selected string. 5. Change the defulat latin font to another _latin font_. You can see that previewed string has been updated and can check what it looks like. 6. Change the defualt Asian font to another Asian font. No preview string is displayed for the changed Asian font and you can not check what it looks like. As jeongkyu mentioned, it's inconvinient for Asian user. I think he suggest to display both latin font sample and Asian font sample in preview box.
I checked with "2.1.0 German version WIN XP: [680m6(Build9095)]" and can confirm the observations from 'Additional comments from blueice7 Tue Jan 23 01:39:12 -0800 2007' But: Do we need a bug report or an enhancement request? I tried with "sanskrit99" (the only Asian looking" font on my PC and was a little astonished to see "____Times new Roman___" in the preview pane of menu "Format - Character - Card 'Asian layout'", I believe that is a DEFECT, but I do not have any knowledge concerning current specification for this. Someone with knowledge has to check what of the current behaviour is in accordance with the current specification and what not (for that we need DEFECT- bug reports. In a second step we need some precise, clear and simple enhancement requests to abolish remaining inconveniences for Asian language users. For example: In menu "Format - Character - Card 'Font'" we need a second preview pane for the selected Asian font (because ...) I can't do that.
The Issue you raised has been marked as 'Resolved' and not updated within the last 1 year+. I am therefore setting this issue to 'Verified' as the first step towards Closing it. If you feel this is incorrect, please re-open the issue and add any comments. Many thanks, Andrew Cleaning-up and Closing old Issues ~ The Grand Bug Squash, pre v3 ~ http://marketing.openoffice.org/3.0/announcementbeta.html
As per previous posting: Verified -> Closed. A Closed Issue is a Happy Issue (TM). Regards, Andrew
This is a problem, and it persists in recent version. Having a preview for both roman and asian text is useful.