Issue 15265 - default character style for bullet should be None
Summary: default character style for bullet should be None
Status: CLOSED FIXED
Alias: None
Product: Writer
Classification: Application
Component: ui (show other issues)
Version: OOo 1.1.2
Hardware: PC All
: P3 Trivial with 5 votes (vote)
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: requirements
QA Contact: issues@sw
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Keywords: oooqa
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Reported: 2003-06-04 03:34 UTC by bulbul
Modified: 2017-05-20 10:30 UTC (History)
5 users (show)

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Issue Type: ENHANCEMENT
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Description bulbul 2003-06-04 03:34:54 UTC
When a list is automatically generated by typing hyphen, tab, text, and enter.
The current default character type is "Bullets". The result is that the
hyphen-bullet is not proportional to the font. Type your list font size 72 pt
and the bullet is still a 12 pt hyphen. It is hard for the user to figure out
how to fix this. (See bug 6439.) This could be fixed by changing the character
style for an automatically generated bulleted list to "None". This could spare
some user frustration.
Comment 1 tamblyne 2003-09-29 05:30:26 UTC
This is related to several other issues:  

See Issue 1210 re failure to scale bullet according to font size.  
See Issue 9437 re changing the bullet type.  

Comments to these previous issues make it clear that the behavior is
as expected and not a bug.  As this issue requests default set to
"none", changing to RFE.  

Tam  

Comment 2 tamblyne 2003-09-29 05:31:11 UTC
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Comment 3 mci 2003-10-24 15:55:59 UTC
reassigned to bh
Comment 4 fzhdmudk 2004-10-25 14:40:09 UTC
*** Issue 15265 has been confirmed by votes. ***
Comment 5 rollom 2006-10-06 08:58:29 UTC
The current solution is not intuitive/logical at all (still in 2.0.3) and should
really be changed.

I had the problem initially described by bulbul in issue 15265 with bullets
staying at a fixed font size while the paragraph size changed, and I was unable
to change this behavior even following help pages. Astonishingly I also had some
character styles that adopted the font size from the underlying paragraph styles
without problems. I just couldn't find the setting that would explain the
different behavior.

In a discussion forum I was told the solution finally.

The problem is like pointed out by bulbul that there is no way to set the
character style font size to "none". The current solution is to press the
"Standard" button on the font tab of the character style dialog. This button
assigns a 12pt font according to the dialog settings, but in reality the font
size is taken from the paragraph style, i.e., the 12pt setting stays without effect.

Furthermore, I consider this not as an enhancement but as a defect, as the
dialog settings and the real behavior differ.

One should also add "none" options to the other character style settings (font,
text style [standard, bold, italic, both], etc., also on different tabs) to get
the behavior shown. 
Comment 6 dcam 2006-11-15 00:05:28 UTC
It is actually quite simple (though not intuitive) to set the character style to
None, just do this:

1.  Choose menu Format/Bullets and Numbering
2.  Choose Options tab
3.  Change Character Style to None

But having said that, I disagree that this is a satisfactory solution.

Setting the default character style for bullets to None solves the problem to a
certain extent, but is still problematic because the bullet point size usually
needs to be smaller in font size than the rest of the line!!

This is especially visible at large font sizes (eg 72), where having set the
character style of the bullet point to None, the size of the bullet point is
ridiculously large.

I believe the solution must be that the bullet point font size needs to
configurable to be a percentage of the size of the font of the line on which it
appears.

I checked and this seems to be the default intuitive behaviour seen in that
other wordprocessor that is still quite popular.  
Comment 7 bettina.haberer 2010-05-21 14:48:33 UTC
To grep the issues easier via "requirements" I put the issues currently lying on
my owner to the owner "requirements". 
Comment 8 frank.loehmann 2011-03-01 13:27:29 UTC
Bullet character style is still assigned, but empty. So bullet grows fix font size. Has been fixed for OOo 3.0 or so.
Comment 9 frank.loehmann 2011-03-01 14:07:59 UTC
Bullet character style is still assigned, but empty. So bullet grows with font size. Has been fixed for OOo 3.0 or so.