Issue 109871 - Slide formatting not backwards compatible
Summary: Slide formatting not backwards compatible
Status: CONFIRMED
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Product: Impress
Classification: Application
Component: formatting (show other issues)
Version: OOO310m19
Hardware: PC Linux, all
: P3 Trivial (vote)
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Reported: 2010-03-06 13:00 UTC by lazygun37
Modified: 2017-05-20 11:11 UTC (History)
3 users (show)

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Issue Type: DEFECT
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3 files in this archive: (i) screenshot of pdf file the way the presentation looked in v2; (ii) screenshot of the way it looks for me in v3; (iii) slide of the presentation itself in odp format (re-saved under v3) (577.88 KB, text/plain)
2010-03-06 13:22 UTC, lazygun37
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As requested, here is the odp file produced with version 2 (please note that I can't guarantee it is *exactly* identical, since this is just the most recent, pre-v3.x, snapshot I have. I may have slightly edited the file in the interim... (409.16 KB, text/plain)
2010-03-17 12:37 UTC, lazygun37
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Description lazygun37 2010-03-06 13:00:36 UTC
I have several presentations recently created in Openoffice Impress 2.x and
saved in standard odp format. When I open these in Oo Impress 3.1, the
formatting on many of my slides is changed, with, for example, text being
shifted relative to graphics on various slides, and text boxes that previously
fit fine on a slide now being too large. It is difficult to know exactly what is
causing the problem (could it be something as simple as a change in the default
page size?)

It is really frustrating  that a presentation created in a recent version of
Impress and saved in the standard OO format would fail to open in exactly the
same way in a newer version (and dealing with this on a slide-by-slide basis
will be a ton of work). Backwards compatibility should surely be one of the most
important things to ensure? 

In any case, is this a known issue? Is there a work around? Could it be fixed
permanenently?

THanks!

Christian

PS: I would be happy to provide a sample slide whose format is altered along
with a saved PDF version of what the same slide looked like in 2.x.
Comment 1 lazygun37 2010-03-06 13:22:06 UTC
Created attachment 68181 [details]
3 files in this archive: (i) screenshot of pdf file the way the presentation looked in v2; (ii) screenshot of the way it looks for me in v3; (iii) slide of the presentation itself in odp format (re-saved under v3)
Comment 2 maand 2010-03-07 18:59:25 UTC
Please have a look on the plattform and the OS in your issue and change them to
the correct ones.
Comment 3 wolframgarten 2010-03-08 08:00:29 UTC
Reproducible also in 3.2. Reassigned.
Comment 4 lazygun37 2010-03-16 19:30:21 UTC
I am just wondering if I can expect a resolution to this issue on a time-scale
(days to weeks at most) that is relevant to me.

Thanks!

Christian
Comment 5 clippka 2010-03-17 12:24:26 UTC
Christian, can you please attach the original document from 2.x that was never
saved with a 3.x?
Comment 6 lazygun37 2010-03-17 12:37:24 UTC
Created attachment 68393 [details]
As requested, here is the odp file produced with version 2 (please note that I can't guarantee it is *exactly* identical, since this is just the most recent, pre-v3.x, snapshot I have. I may have slightly edited the file in the interim...
Comment 7 clippka 2010-03-17 14:12:02 UTC
thanks. so this file was saved with an OOo 2.4 wich is latest&greatest 2.x.

Opening the document in OOo 2.4 and OOo 3.3 (m74) gives the same result but not
the correct one, the formulars are all a little of. But what is rendered is
mainly what is saved in the ODF. So this document must have got broken before.

Christian, have you edited this document using 2.x and 3.x versions before?

If not than I suspect the document got broken between 2.3 and 2.4/OOo 3.x as
that was the point where we fixed the bullet issues in OOo where Impress/Draw
had an issue using OOo text lists correctly.

Maybe I can find some time next week to have a deeper look but I advise to
repair the document and stick with the latest 3.x version.
Comment 8 lazygun37 2010-03-17 14:27:35 UTC
Thanks for the quick reply. The document I just sent earlier definitely hadn't
been touched with 3.x. Whether it was created/saved under 2.4 or only earlier
versions... I have to admit I'm not sure. It was whatever version came bundled
with Ubuntu 8.10. 

... which is also relevant cause I've only recently discovered that the Ubuntu
bundled Oo is not the standard one. For example, one issue that I thought was
related to the upgrade to 3.x -- the fact that I was getting weird squashed
fonts, especially in things like subscripts -- turned out to be related to
problems only with the Ubuntu version. I have now reinstalled OO 3.2 directly
from the openoffice website myself (after uninstalling the bundled version) and
that particular issue seems to have gone away. 

The other problems with formatting seem to still be there, however. For what
it's worth, I am currently suspecting that the problem may be linked to the
paragraph spacing. In my slides, I often used things like proportional
inter-paragraph spacing set to 90%. I noticed that, for the most part, I can
"fix" the bad formatting I get under 3.x by adjusting the proportional paragraph
spacing to a suitable percentage. It's tedious, but I have started to follow
your advice and convert my documents.

C.
Comment 9 thb 2010-03-17 16:20:17 UTC
@lazygun37: to add another data point here - your second document loads
perfectly on my box, in a 3.2 with roughly the same set of modifications that
the Ubuntu version has - did not yet try a 3.1, though. This _sounds_ like a
font replacement problem, FreeSans may be matched differently in different
versions, due to varying levels of platform integration - e.g. the modified OOo
versions tend to use more system libraries, and better cairo integration.

Anyways, the way these slides are formatted is very sensitive to font size
changes, something Impress (somewhat better than Writer) is not really able to
abstract away.

Any other changes on your machine, except the OOo upgrade? Is FreeSans available
("fc-list  | grep FreeSans")?
Comment 10 lazygun37 2010-03-17 16:40:52 UTC
@thb: that's interesting! Here is what I get for FreeSans

christian@astrolap13~ > fc-list | grep FreeSans
FreeSans:style=Medium,obyčejné,Mittel,µεσαία,Normal,Medio,Gemiddeld,odmiana
zwykła,Обычный,navadno,Vừa
FreeSans:style=Oblique,ležeče
FreeSans:style=Bold,polkrepko
FreeSans:style=BoldOblique,polkrepko ležeče

I assume this is OK?

As noted previously, I have (some) of these formatting problems regardless of
whether I use the Ubuntu-bundled version or the standard vanilla flavour. 

Is there a way of forcing the fonts to be the same as in previous versions
(either in Ubuntu or OO specifically)?

Thanks!
Comment 11 thb 2010-03-17 17:00:14 UTC
@lazygun37: drats, yeah, that's exactly the font list I see here, too.
Comment 12 Marcus 2017-05-20 11:11:51 UTC
Reset assigne to the default "issues@openoffice.apache.org".